If you will, for a moment - hush - all of your memorized “info” about God’.
Focus only on this - instant – . Look around you. Observe. Let all of your senses study your environment, your space, your mind, your body. Travel as far as you can - within and without -. You will conclude that – you – are a form surrounded by a multitude of forms. No “God”. Just nature.
That is “All”.
And – All – is “It”.
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For more information, read the book “A Natural Philosophy”.
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on February 16, 2009, 10:09 am
worldglide said:
It is good that I stumbled upon a site that promotes brain activity. I do however have a little test of my own for you. This does not favor nor dis-favor any religion. Think for a moment where we are on this smaller than a pin-point planet in an equally small milky-way galaxy (one of billions) in a universe which is in a constant state of expansion. The Earth spins on an axis at 60,000 plus miles per hour, orbiting at such a precise distance from an incinerator (star) so as to neither burn nor freeze. There are four physical elements (earth, air, fire, water)and a fifth more recently discoved…ether) that function independently and co-operatively with one another in order to sustain a planet that has countless species of life forms that are linked in a network of existance. Call it what you will…Allah, Bhudda, Krishna, Mohamed, Rama, Christ, Nanak, Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu, or, dare I say…GOD…hahaha…The intelligence of Self or Beingness, I would say is rather indisputeable. Perhaps you prefer…the random percision of universal intelligence is quite beyond the grasp of the common/current human condition. Any way you slice it my fellow human being….with the limited use of our one-tenth brain function, I would think that by propounding any one particular belief system as an absolute, (be it religious or otherwise) is simply further evidence of our (collective) ignorance. But hey…I’m diggin’ the ride, how about you?…and anything that accelerates the expansion of our (collective) awareness is, in my humble opinion, worthy. Be it religion, (rather the Avatars thereof), science, or your particular belief-system, Atheism, or Natureism? Be well…write back, it’d be nice to hear your thoughts.
on February 16, 2009, 12:05 pm
A Forcier said:
My dear fellow human being,
Thanks for your comment. You have obviously been thinking on the subject. It is baffling that many don’t. Considering that this is the only life we have. Knowing who we are certainly make the journey a lot more agreable.
Yes the world, the universe, creation is a fantastic “space”. It is vast. It is large. And we can see ourselves very small indeed. However, the universe originates – in every drop of (universe)energy. Thus, where you are, is the beginning of the universe. “Who” you are is how the universe transacts creation.
You are, in a sense and for real, at the center of creation.From there you are far greater than you may think.
Now, as to God, or the other (avatars) that you named…. The problem with any of the (named) is that you are now going outside of the universe and making one of them, responsible for the creation and maintenance of the whole. First, they are not necessary, for the whole functions very well on its own… and your are missing an important historical piece of data.
Some people say that “God” is everywhere, in all of us, in every molicule of our being. Fine, may as well call ourselves “God. That won’t wash too well with religious people. Because to them “God” (and the others) are all outside the world, supervising, demanding obediance, servitude, worship…
“The intelligence of the Self, Beingness..” The Self is that center we spoke of a second ago. Beingness is the sensation of the act of being. A good place to begin our exploration.
The understanding of the universe’s ways is not beyond our intelligence. We (all forms) are of the same matrix as the intelligence of the universe. By observation we can know our “self” and the world about us.
To me it is a voyage well worth undertaking.
Take care.
on November 22, 2009, 6:08 am
jetson said:
@worldglide – interesting message, but not necessary to explain what has been created by chance. You see design, I seek to understand how I am a part of the chance arrangement. Science seeks to understand how things work by measurement and observation, and sometimes arrives at a cause.
It is easy to claim that design was intended, but it is just as easy to realize that design was steered by nothing. The perfect alignment simply allowed things to happen that otherwise would not have. that we cannot see other planets in perfect alignment for life is no indication that ours is special. It is just that we are intelligent enough to ask why we are here, and to imagine that we are special.
Things just are. And the meanings we apply to what we can imagine are only important to us as individuals. Many humans don;t even think about it much, I would guess. Those that do can either be trapped in a state of never knowing, or they can let go of the question and know that we are here, because we are here.
on November 22, 2009, 10:17 am
A. Forcier said:
First, to get this out of the way – I would strongly encourage you to read my book. “A Natural Philosophy”. – Much about what you are stating is discussed in it.
The problem we have is this: Is time linear or instantaneous? Does the universe unfolds from past to present, to future? If so, it implies a causal – series of happenings. And your existence is a “by chance” event. Not very exiting. (Talk about the problem of free will.)
However, if time is only of this instant… all that exists thinks itself in existence… not by chance… but by will. (What? a grain of sand think itself in existence..!)
And the act of being takes on a completely different meaning.
on July 2, 2010, 8:36 am
John said:
I’ve got a different self test. This test will locate the self and draw it into the open. It examines free will and choice. It is a simple test, and once you learn the parameters, it will take around ten seconds.
MATERIALS
1) You need a watch or clock with a second hand. Anything that will let you count off ten seconds will do.
2) An object, small enough to be carried, such as a pencil, or ashtray, etc.
EXPERIMENT
1) Set the object in front of you within easy reach
2) Tell yourself, either in the mind, or out loud, that you will pick up the object in ten seconds time. It is required for the test that you tell yourself with the most intention you can muster as a conscious being. I WILL PICK THIS OBJECT UP IN TEN SECONDS. You must really mean it.
3) Start your timer, or mind a watch to know when those ten seconds will expire.
4) During the ten seconds, tell your self with as much meaning you can muster that you will NOT pick up the object. It is important that you say this command to yourself with as much meaning and intention as possible.
5) At the end of ten seconds, either pick up or not pick up the object.
That is it. If you do this experiment on yourself, you will find the locus of your decision making and the center of your free will. You may find that the control that you have over your decisions is much more complex or strange than you have considered. I would be interested in what choices you all have made at the end of ten seconds and why.
on July 3, 2010, 7:57 am
aforcier said:
John… Feedom of will. If we pick up the object, then it is that we have obeyed a command (no free will). If we leave the object on the table… then we are reacting (and acting)in response to a command (no free will again).
We can get stuck here (no free will, in any situations.) However… we will not be picking up and not picking up the object for the rest of our existence. A space happens… and we stop what we are doing and go do something completely different. That space is a moment for free will. We can now choose. There are strands of cause and effect events broken by moments of choices
on July 3, 2010, 12:10 pm
John said:
Thanks for the subtle and thoughtful response.
Of course, the experiment should not last forever. I should have made a point about the experiment a bit more clear. At the point of Ten Seconds, the decision must be made. No amount (or the least possible amount) of time should be given for the decision.
This avoids the “not picking up for eternity” problem.
Also, I’m not sure if I follow your point concerning the part of picking up the object meaning that there is an absence of free will. If it is a command that you yourself have given (ie. “I will pick up the ashtray”) and you follow it, are you not exerting your own free will to take action?
on July 3, 2010, 3:35 pm
aforcier said:
John…Ok.I’m going to turn this thing up-side-down.(So that I may better understand your question) What do you mean by free-will?
on July 3, 2010, 4:53 pm
John said:
I understand free will to be the ability to make conscious decisions in ones life.
If I choose to pick up an pencil in front of me, I am exerting a measure of free will.
Whether or not free will exists or not is a whole other can of worms, I understand that.
on July 3, 2010, 11:35 pm
aforcier said:
John… Lets assume for a moment that the “will” is a person’s capacity to “flow” life. The more you are the author of this flow… in control, in charge, (conscious)… the more you have free will. But this freedom can be lost, can be appropriated by others, can be expropriated, turned over to the life/will of others.
on July 5, 2010, 4:32 pm
john said:
i guess my point with this little thought experiment is this:
What does it mean when your own free will is appropriated by your self? If i tell myself that i WILL take an action. Shouldn’t there be a level of confidence that it will be done. Does it really mean anything to tell yourself to do something?
on July 5, 2010, 6:27 pm
aforcier said:
If you mean what you are asking, clever John, you know the answer. (The depth of which reaches the heart of the universe.)
on July 10, 2010, 11:08 am
John said:
Albert, yes, I think you are catching my drift.
I sometimes wonder about the connections between the mind and the body. How much control does the mind have over the body? What is it that tells my arm to lift, or my mouth to open, or my hand to squeeze?
I thank you for the brief and open conversation on free will Albert. I am looking forward to cracking your book open and exploring your thoughts on these subjects.
on July 10, 2010, 11:19 am
John said:
Want to know something a little funny, a little queer, Albert? It seems that a lot of times when I set off on these thought excursions, they seem to bend toward the heart of the universe. Like a gravity, stroke by stroke pulling my reasoning towards events like the Big Bang. Singularities. Indeed, what does lie within the heart of the Universe. I imagine that however difficult it is to gaze into the heart of the Universe, it is equally difficult to gaze into the heart of ourselves.
on July 10, 2010, 12:04 pm
aforcier said:
John, it is very illuminating to feel our mind… working. And I hope that you do get to read my book.
… and the heart of the universe… is the same as your heart. the very same!
Thank you for all your comments.